McCain = Bush's 3rd Term Meme Taking Root

John McCain likes to mock Barack Obama's repetition of the idea that McCain would represent another Bush term by laughing it off as unbelievable to voters. Oh really?

A new USA Today/Gallup poll shows that voters overwhelmingly fear that McCain would simply continue Bush's policies.

A recent USA Today/Gallup poll finds about two in three Americans concerned that John McCain would pursue policies as president that are too similar to what George W. Bush has pursued. Nearly half -- 49% -- say they are "very concerned" about this.

The breakdown is as follows:

Very concerned: 49%
Somewhat concerned: 19%
Not too concerned: 16%
Not concerned at all: 15%

In a sign of just how far McCain has fallen -- and the reason McCain has ceded the independent vote to Barack Obama -- the fear that McCain represents Bush's 3rd term is equally potent among independents as it is among the electorate at large.

Very concerned: 47%
Somewhat concerned: 20%
Not too concerned: 17%
Not concerned at all: 15%

Although Gallup has to dig deep to find it, there may be one silver lining for John McCain:

Obama is running as the "change" candidate, and while that would seem to be the advantageous positioning in an election to replace an unpopular incumbent, there is risk in advocating more change than perhaps Americans would be comfortable with. To the extent that McCain and the Republican Party can paint Obama as looking to make too great a departure from the status quo, they can make McCain seem like a safe alternative.

Indeed, with 49% of voters either very or somewhat concerned that Obama will bring too much change, this result does imply that McCain might have a bit of a foundation from which to launch a too much change campaign against Obama. But that's not what McCain is doing at all. Instead, he's going after him as a "typical politician" who says one thing and does another; in other words, McCain would have us believe that Obama won't bring as much change as he says he will.

Add this to Bowers's list of reasons why McCain's portrayal of Obama as typical is actually a good thing:

  • It is kind of hard for Obama to be "elitist" or "arrogant" if he is also "typical," don't you think? Nothing makes your attacks more ineffective than when they directly contradict each other.

  • Yes, let's match up a "typical" Democrat and a "typical" Republican. According to the latest NBC / Wall Street Journal poll, a generic, or "typical" Democrat leads the presidential race by 15% over a Republican, while Obama only leads by 6% over McCain. I'd much prefer the "typical" match-up to the atypical one.

  • Given that a lot of people won't vote for Obama because he is black, aka not typical, please keep hammering the message home about how "typical," or "normal" Obama actually is. Really, Obama is perfectly typical and normal, so go ahead and vote for him.

  • Given that about half of the politicians in America are Republicans, keep emphasizing the notion that "typical" politicians suck. After all, such a statement implies that Republicans themselves typically suck, too. And, as the recent LA Times poll showed, most third party leaners favor McCain over Obama this year, so eschewing typical politicians would have a net positive impact for Democrats.



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McSame repeating the same mistakes as Clinton? (none / 0)

Very insightful analysis.

It appears that McSame is falling into the same trap as Clinton did, trying to paint Obama as two polar opposites at the same time, or as a polar opposite to an existing meme.

I always believed Obama took this time to get his centrist stuff out there to neutralize McSame's ability to define.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:33:26 PM EST

Re: McCain = Bush's 3rd Term Meme Taking Root (2.00 / 2)

It's almost as if we're learning that you can move people's numbers if you stick to a message and repeat it consistently -- especially (but not solely) when it has the virtue of being true.  Who knew?  Oh right, the GOP for 35 years...

Better late than never I suppose.


by HSTruman on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:36:57 PM EST

Taking root, indeed. (none / 0)

Not entirely surprising that Dem seeds are finding purchase in such fertile soil.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:48:15 PM EST

Unfortunately, it will get UGLY (none / 0)

because the Republicans' ONLY hope is to portray Obama as Sharpton-with-an-Ivy-League-degree.  And that's what they will do.
Now, since they're going to portray him as a "dangerous radical" anyway, why the rush to the center?  Why offend your base?
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:57:30 PM EST

BTW - (none / 0)

neither Sharpton-with-an-Ivy-League-degree nor being a "dangerous radical" are descriptives which would turn me off.


John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:58:50 PM EST
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Re: Unfortunately, it will get UGLY (none / 0)

It's going to get crazy ugly. The Repubs aren't fools, and all these positive indicators seem to indicate that a Hail Mary is their only shot.

The only thing that MAY mitigate the ugliness is the backlash against their downticket, but even that is looking sad for the GOP.

I'm bracing myself the week after convention. And it won't be Sharpton, it will be something less caricature-ish and more disturbing.


by Neef on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 05:52:03 PM EST
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So why reach out and get all (none / 0)

post partisan, if they're gonna smack you anyway?
Why do D's always feel the need to compromise with folks who don't compromise?
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:01:11 PM EST
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Because (none / 0)

the election is not government, just the road to it. IF Obama is playing the long game, he's going to want to burn as few bridges as possible on the way to POTUS.

Right now, there is a temporal reason for Dems to "hate" GOP, the general election. What Obama may be doing is trying to insure there's no structural reason for the conflict - that past the election, the parties can find some common ground.


by Neef on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:11:35 PM EST
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"past the election, the parties can find (none / 0)

 some common ground"
You believe that? that they'll work with him to make him a success?  And you base that belief upon . . .
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 12:15:47 PM EST
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Re: McCain = Bush's 3rd Term Meme Taking Root (none / 0)

I cannot believe how pedantic Chris Bowers can be sometimes.  There is absolutely no contradiction between the "typical politician" meme and the "elitist" meme, none at all.

There is a certain echo chamber effect in the liberal blogosphere where we all applaud one another's arguments, and thus the bad ones never get weeded out.  But really, someone needs to stop and point out how ludicrous Chris's argument is in this case.  He really thinks people are going to reject the elitist meme because of ads that call Obama a "typical politician"?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:59:31 PM EST

Re: McCain = Bush's 3rd Term Meme Taking Root (none / 0)

I think your assertion of "no contradiction" is incorrect.  However, I think the idea that simply because the two ideas contradict each other means they'll be less effective is wrong as well.

Chris needs to look back to 2004, when Rove managed to convince the country that Kerry was both a doctrinaire liberal and a flip-flopper with no core convictions.  Contradictory, yes.  But effective nevertheless.

Also, to the site admins, PPP has Obama up 2 in Florida, so that should be flipped.


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 03:13:46 PM EST
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Re: McCain = Bush's 3rd Term Meme Taking Root (none / 0)

So the public perceives the "typical politician" as non-elitist?  I have trouble agreeing with that.

Bowers' argument seems to elevate dictionary definitions above common sense.  You can't take the "typical politician" charge and say, well, typical means ordinary and regular so therefore McCain is calling Obama an ordinary, regular Joe, the kind of average American you might invite to your Fourth of July barbecue.

Saying "typical politician" doesn't evoke any of that.  Tell me, why do you think "typical politician" is at odds with "arrogant" or "elitist"?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 03:52:38 PM EST
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Re: McCain = Bush's 3rd Term Meme Taking Root (none / 0)

That's an interesting point.  I suppose my response would be that calling Obama an elitist doesn't mean that he's equally elitist to all other politicians, but more so than them.  Saying he's typical undercuts this argument.  

I would assume that the McCain campaign is aware of the bad (for him) generic Democrat vs. generic Republican numbers.  Thus, saying that Obama's a typical Democrat---or a generic one---seems to undercut what needs to be his argument, which is that (for whatever reason) Obama is more unsuited to the Presidency than other Democratic politicians.

Let me give a few examples:

"Rodney Harrison plays dirty.  He's a typical football player."

"Mitt Romney doesn't care about average Americans.  He's a typical businessman."  

"Karl Rove plays dirty.  He's a typical political partisan."

Each time, I think the second sentence undercuts the strong language of the first.  While the characteristic may still be true, it now merely means that it places them squarely within the typical characteristics of the profession to which they belong.

But it might be productive for people to start asking McCain if he thinks other politicians---particularly Republicans, particularly Bush---are also elitist/typical politicians.


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 04:11:10 PM EST
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Obama looks like he wants a Bush 3rd term too (2.00 / 1)

This consistent shift rightward, towards the center, is really, really annoying.

The assault on the fourth amendment, thanks to his bullshit position on FISA.

Now, he's "investing federal money in religious-based initiatives that are intended to fight poverty and perform community aid work."

The federal government should not give religious groups any money.  Period.

SERIOUSLY, WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?


by Sieglinde on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 04:54:42 PM EST

Re: Obama looks like he wants a Bush 3rd term too (none / 0)

This is the NYT link on the subject of federal funding of religious groups:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/pol itics/02campaigncnd.html?hp


by Sieglinde on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 04:55:31 PM EST
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