Another Call for the Dream Ticket (To Kick the Crap Out of McCain)

(Note: Cross-posted at DailyKos.  Always curious to see what the other side thinks.)

I know, I know.  

They hate each other.  We hate each other.  If the other candidate experiences anything other than total, absolute, crushing defeat, we will all sit at home and pout.  Or vote for McCain.  Or vote for Nader.

The goal, as I think we'd all agree, is to kick McCain's sorry old "War 4 Ever!" ass back into the mid-ages from whence he came.

The reason we can't do that just yet is that we haven't decided who should do it.

I know, I know.  Obama.  Yes we can.  Si se puede.  The math.  The will of the people.  More states, red states, delegates, popular vote.  

I know, I know.  

(Heck, I personally conceded a week ago.)  

However...

There are a handful of states to go.  And if the rest of us -- the millions who don't live in Iowa or New Hampshire  -- for one glorious primary (or caucus) day, got to feel like our vote really mattered, why should we begrudge our fellow citizens that same joy?

We shouldn't.

And so this will go on, until every single last one of us has had a say.

Because that is the American way.

But they'll kill each other!  And we'll lose to McCain!

I know, I know.

But they don't have to kill each other.  And we won't lose to McCain.  And this is how:

They run like they are the dream ticket.

They stop running against each other, and start running against McCain together.  No more debates with each other; no more negative campaigning against each other.  Positive campaigning only.  

Obama can talk about the change he wants to bring to America.

Clinton can talk about her practical solutions to fix everything that's been all fucked up for the past seven years.

And they can kick the crap out of John McCain.  Together.

But...who is the nominee?

Well, come on.

We all know who that is.  Or probably is.  But here is what matters:    

In the months that follow, the remaining states will get to vote.  And they'll get to know both of the Democratic candidates, as they travel and stump and speak about their positive qualities.  No more sniping about each other.  

(And that means no more surrogate sniping either.)

The remaining states will see the best of what both candidates have to offer as they work together to kick McCain's ass.

The remaining states will vote.

Those votes could be decisive.  Obama could blow it out.  And even if doesn't, as long as he maintains a strong lead in pledged delegates and popular vote, the superdelegates would be fully justified in choosing him.  

And he will thank Hillary Clinton.  And he will ask her to run with him, to continue their fight together against John McCain.  She might decide to run with him; she might decide to stay in the Senate, to work with him that way to enact the policies they both support.  Either way, the Democrats win.

Obama's supporters will not be happy.  They will say that Obama doesn't need Clinton, and after the way she's treated him, she can go Cheney herself.  It's time for change.

Clinton's supporters will not be happy either.  They know that Hillary has the kind of experience and knowledge and determination to be a great president.  And she's worked longer and harder than just about any one -- ever -- to get to where she is today.  They'll always believe she should have been at the top of that ticket.

But without a tie or lead in pledged delegates and/or the popular vote, that won't happen.

But you know what?  We'll deal with it.  We'll learn to like it.  We'll learn to love it.

We'll remember why we're Democrats.  Because we want to get along.  We want to work together.  We want to include everyone.  

We're dirty fucking hippies, damn it.  We're liberals.  

We're the ones who were right about this stupid war all the way back in 2002.

We're the ones who wanted to believe in our president and our government (and that SOB Colin Powell) because we don't want to be cynical.

We're the ones who think things like health care and education and clear air are important.

We're the ones who don't care who you're having sex with because everyone does it.

We're the ones who believe in science and liberty and possibility.

And we're going to beat the crap out of John McCain in November.

Because no matter which one wins the Democratic primary -- Obama or Clinton -- they're going to eat McCain for breakfast.  Not even breakfast.  A snack.  A quick few bites on the go.

Just think about it for a minute...

I'm Barack Obama. I just defeated The Clinton Machine.  The frigging Clinton Machine!  They threw their best at me, they knocked me around for more than a year, and you know what?  I'm still standing.  I'm stronger than ever.  And now I'm going to kick the crap out of McCain.

Or...

I'm Hillary Clinton. I am The Toughest Woman You Will Ever Meet.  People have been trying to take me down my whole life.  I've worked my ass off; I've had every inch of my life examined, critized, threatened, humiliated, and you know what?  I'm still standing.  I'm stronger than ever.  And now I'm going to kick the crap out of McCain.    

And it will work.

Because whoever wins the nomination will have had the toughest primary fight in history.  Old videos all over YouTube.  Cable networks and all the blogs spending every minute of every day testing the candidates, trying to knock them down, knock them out...all day long, every day, for months.

And John McCain is sitting over in a corner, having Joe Lieberman whisper the answers in his ear, mumbling about war and terrorists and tax cuts.  And no one cares.  No one's listening.  His numbers look okay for now, but that won't last.

Because when the Democrats focus on him, and the whole country is reminded of why everything sucks right now, there is no way another crusty old war lovin' Republican is going to sit in that Oval Office next January.

Not gonna happen.



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Tips for kicking McCain's butt (none / 0)

And, before you jump all over me, please note that I am not necessarily advocating that the two run together.

I am advocating that they use this strategy to get us through the end of the primary season.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:42:20 PM EST

Re: Tips for kicking McCain's butt (none / 0)

I agree that Hillary shouldn't drop out, but she needs to realize that she wont win, and use the remaining 10 states to hammer John Mccain, but she wont.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:45:27 PM EST
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"I know I bring a life time of experience, I know Sen. Mccain will bring a life time of Experience, and Sen. Obama brings a speech he gave in 2002"

as she was saying it you could see all hopes of a joint ticket dying.

otherwise yeah, we SHOULD have had a joint ticket, but Hillary still thinks she will be the top name.

so no all hopes of a dream ticket died, the day she said Mccain had passed the C-i-C test, but not Obama.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:44:32 PM EST

what does HRC bring to the table (none / 0)

as Obama's VP nominee?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:52:30 PM EST

Re: what does HRC bring to the table (none / 0)

Her voters.

However, that is only a part of my argument.  My main thesis is that they should finish the primary season (just a few more months) by running as IF they are on the ticket together; whether they ultimately will be on the ticket together is another issue.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:55:37 PM EST
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Re: what does HRC bring to the table (2.00 / 1)

eh your main assumption is that Her voters won't vote democrat in the fall, I am sorry but only a few of HRC most strident supporters believe that.

EVEN Hillary and Barack believe the party will unite.

its not an argument anyone believes, sure everyone HERE believes it, but super delegates don't or they wouldn't continue to endorse Obama. The SDs will follow the pledged delegate leader, even her own SDs are saying it.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:58:36 PM EST
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Re: what does HRC bring to the table (none / 0)

Who are the HRC loyalists who won't vote for Obama if he chooses another running mate?

What do these Democrats have against Obama?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:59:18 PM EST
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I'm sure you've seen the polls. (none / 0)

There have been plenty of them showing that sizable numbers of Democrats are threatnening not to vote, or to vote for McCain, if their preferred candidate does not win the nomination.

While I'm sure those numbers will shrink by November, the difference is whether Obama wins graciously and reaches out to Hillary and her supporters, who could then be more inclined to not only vote for him but to volunteer, donate money, et cetera.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:04:29 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you've seen the polls. (none / 0)

naw most people don't pay attention to that, no one believes they will follow through, they are mad right now because their candidate is losing.

most of them will get over it.

sites like this are not representative of Hillary's average supporter.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:09:51 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you've seen the polls. (none / 0)

I think there are some racist 40+ affluent "White" women who will go with McCain over Obama. And some Zionists who were migrating toward the GOP anyway. There are a smattering of Archie Bunkers, but I don't think these guys will vote for HRC either.

Oh, well. The name of the game is to win by the rules set forth in advance. And to deliver coattails for Congressional candidates.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:14:48 PM EST
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Re: I'm sure you've seen the polls. (none / 0)

Obama will be gracious, I can all but guarantee.

But HRC's supporters engaging in race-baiting doesn't make me personally inclined to be gracious.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:11:02 PM EST
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You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

Having Obama's supporters call Hillary's supporters racists or race-baiters does not go far in encouraging them to come to Obama.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:22:40 PM EST
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Re: You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

If someone is engaging in race-baiting, it's kinda being a racist enabler to legitimize the race-baiting by pretending it's somehow a principled argument.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:25:42 PM EST
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Re: You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

I'm sorry, but you lost me there.

Let me address what I think you're talking about:

I understand that Obama supporters believe the Clintons injected race into the campaign; that Bill Clinton and other Clinton surrogates have made comments intended to appeal to racists; and that they have intentionally race-baited, particularly in OH.

However, many on the Clinton side do not see it that way.  They believe Obama injected race into the campaign; that Jesse Jackson Jr. all but called HRC a racist; that the Obama campaign and/or its surrogates uses the "race card" to defeat criticism.

It's just wrong and unfair to say that your interpretation is the only correct one.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:29:49 PM EST
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Re: You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

Do racist people who benefit from the racism usually own up to their racist feelings? The way racism benefits them?

HRC partisans denying the HRC campaign has used racist appeals is hardly the final word on the issue.

It's sorta like asking the Klansman if anything untoward happened at a lynching.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:36:54 PM EST
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Not going to argue this further. (2.00 / 1)

There is no way for us to continue this in a civil way.  You want to insist that Clinton and Clinton supporters are racist and that denying they are racist is merely confirmation of their racism.

How am I supposed to respond to that?

But I'll tell you something -- you, and other people like you, make it incredibly difficult for me (and I'm sure others) to look at Obama without thinking that all his supporters are a bunch of self-righteous assholes who think I'm a racist because I'm not in love with Obama.  And that if that's how he's gotten this far, I want nothing to do with it.

You really do harm to your candidate with this kind of talk.  If you want me (and others) to support him, I'd suggest you try to practice what he preaches.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:56:43 PM EST
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Re: You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

Have to agree on that one. Let's keep this diary as civil as possible.

And I'm no longer in favor of an Obama-Clinton ticket. Too many problems at this point. But I think Obama-Clark would be dy-no-mite! Do you think having one of her main surrogates as his VP would help assuage her voters' feelings?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:26:40 PM EST
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Re: You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

All for civility.  I've been shouting that across the blogosphere for weeks.

Truthfully, though, I don't know how Obama can bring in the Hillary supporters.  Maybe including a Hillary surrogate on the ticket helps, although for me, it would not be sufficient to put, say, Clark on the ticket to make up for Hillary not being on the ticket.

I think this is going to have to be a moment for one of Obama's great speeches, actually.  

I would really like to hear him talk about gender.  I would like to hear him acknowledge the frustration many of us have felt with what we perceive as a sexist media (I'm looking at you, Chris Matthews) covering the campaigns in different ways.  I would like him to address the fact that as hard as it is to be black in America, being a woman is also no easy deal much of the time.  That for every advancement blacks and women have made in our country, it is always black men first (first to vote, first to be on the Supreme Court, et cetera).

That, for me, would go a long way.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:34:54 PM EST
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Re: You realize that goes both ways? (none / 0)

I find it unseemly that a bunch of HRC female supporters project onto Obama they have about a sexist society. It gets even more distasteful when this anger is used to justify unprincipled attacks on Obama, including the HRC campaign using racial divisiveness.

These feminists--most of whom are better educated and more affluent than most American men--then deny that racism is being used.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:41:10 PM EST
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Re: Another Call for the Dream Ticket (2.00 / 1)

They could never be on the same ticket.  Hillary has already endorsed McCain to be CIC.  If she ran with Obama, McCain would drive that into the ground.  Hillary doomed her VP prospects with that choice.  


by Spanky on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:09:26 PM EST

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They don't have to be on the same ticket.

But they can spend the next few months, until the primaries are over, running as if they WERE on the same ticket.  Focus their attacks on McCain and let each other's supporters calm down and make up so that when Obama officially wins the nomination, the party will be whole again.

That's the difference.


by Angry Mouse on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:24:54 PM EST
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